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Christmas vs. “Holiday”

Dec 19th, 05 / 0 Comments

[09:33] Summer: seriously, this whole “merry christmas” vs. “happy holidays” thing is beginning to piss me off. why is it such an issue this year?

[09:38] Keaven: i have no idea

[09:39] Keaven: i guess the religious right has a really big head and think they can do what ever they want now

[09:39] Keaven: though, -I- have always had a problem with it…. but not to THIS extent

[09:39] Summer: i have gotten like 20 emails from the [filtered] group about how this is CHRISTMAS and christ and don’t worry about offending the other religions but worry about offending jesus.

[09:40] Summer: my favorite is was “it’s a CHRISTmas tree” put up to show your love of jesus.

[09:40] Summer: i had to send back the history of the christmas tree.

[09:40] Summer: i couldn’t resist.

[09:40] Keaven: heheheh

[09:40] Summer: duh, people, it’s from the pagans and druids.

[09:40] Summer: nothing to do with christ.

[09:40] Summer: the three wise men didn’t stop to decorate an evergreen on their way to the manger.

[09:40] Keaven: really, the only people who should be fighting that battle are the germans, since they started it as a christmas thing.

[09:41] Keaven: hahahahahahahahaha

[09:41] Summer: but come on, boycotting walmart and sears cause they say happy holidays not merry christmas.

[09:41] Keaven: yeah.. that’s really silly

[09:42] Keaven: business can say whatever they want to

[09:42] Keaven: if they want to be all inclusive, what’s wrong with that?

[09:43] Summer: don’t those people have better things to do? arn’t there heathen to convert in antartica or something?

[09:43] Keaven: hahahahahahahahaha

[09:44] Keaven: what bothers me, as i’ve said numerous times before, is when people have “holiday” parties, and they use all christmas decorations, they sing christmas carols, dress up as santa and give out gifts… it really pisses me off that they try to APPEAR politically correct, when all they are really doing is having a christmas party.

[09:45] Keaven: if i were of another faith THAT would piss me off more, cause i might be led to THINK that it would be a non-denominational, all inclusive, holiday party for a large organization… then i show up and have christanity shoved down my throat

[09:46] Summer: but i really wonder, would they be just as offended if walmart had a bunch of separate messages? one “merry christmas.” one “happy hannukah.” one “happy kwanza.” one “good ramadan.” is that what they are after. there are a number of businesses that do that kind of thing now in other ways – like mcdonalds will shoot the same commercial – one with white people, one with black people (for BET and UPN) and one in spanish with latinos for telemundo. is that what we are coming to? that level of secularization?

[09:46] Keaven: whereas, if they just CALLED it what it was.. a CHRISTMAS PARTY, i would know not to bother showing up.

[09:46] Keaven: we’ll see…

[09:47] Keaven: just how far are we willing to go for ‘separate but equal’ [roll eyes]

[09:48] Summer: i think you and i should go caroling singing anukkah songs. i know … 2.

[09:48] Summer: that’d be hanukkah i mean

[09:49] Keaven: heh..

[09:49] Summer: i dunno i’m just annoyed cause they are like this is such a holy day blah blah blah but lets have a fight and cause controversy and ruin it.

[09:49] Keaven: the funny thing is that hanukkah isn’t a major religious holiday for the jews. we just hype it up so much in our efforts to be “sympathetic” to other religions.

[09:50] Summer: i know. the big days are rosh hashanna and yom kippur

[09:50] Summer: i’m just saying we should crash a “holiday party” with carols but sing hanukkah songs instead.

[09:50] Summer: to prove our point.

[09:51] Keaven: hehe

[09:52] Summer: and its so hypocritical. in the past they all screamed about “this shouldn’t be a commercial day, it’s not about santa and gifts” … now it’s “walmart has to say merry christmas!”

[09:52] Summer: what the fuck

[09:52] Summer: i got a card from one of mike’s cousins that summed it up nicely. it was a picture of santa claus kneeling at the alter.

[09:52] Summer: i mean. really.

[09:53] Summer: i mean at the manager, sorry

[09:53] Summer: now santa was apparently like the forth wise man. maybe he was just late for the photo shoot cause he stopped on the way to decorate a tree.

[09:54] Keaven: christmas is kind of like Presidents Day. Presidents Day isn’t actually the day any president was born.. its just the day we observe both Lincoln and Washington’s births since they happen the same month (and God forbid we have two holidays in the same month)… Christmas is the same thing. Jesus was not born in the winter… it was more like late spring, early summer. This day is no more “holy” than Presidents Day. Its not the actual day of Jesus’ birth.. its just the day that we’ve set aside to observe it. its so stupid. If they want to split hairs, there’s far more in the corner of this NOT being holy.

[09:55] Summer: course i’m also in an extremely bitter mood about the holidays in general.

[09:59] Keaven: i’m sorry :(

[09:59] Keaven: i liked your ideas from last year… about sending out Solstice cards… “you can’t say you don’t believe in the winter solstice!” you said.. that’s so true, and very funny.

[10:00] Summer: oh my god

[10:00] Summer: i forgot about that?

[10:00] Summer: that’s a great idea.

[10:00] Summer: help me remember that next year.

[10:20] Summer: woohoo. i got ANOTHER email. called “the real reason for the season” – i deleted without even reading.

[10:21] Keaven: hahahahaahaha

[10:22] Summer: unless the body of the email is “the reason for the season is that it was a little bland so i added some salt and paprika” then it’s just going to piss me off.

[10:28] Keaven: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[10:28] Keaven: that’s great :)

Working From Home

Aug 12th, 05 / 0 Comments

[09:57] Summer: i got gas this morning…. $26!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[09:58] Keaven: :shock:

[09:58] Summer: it’s robbery.

[09:59] Keaven: i agree.. totally bites

[10:00] Keaven: the problem is that we’ve established our communities based on the notion that we drive to work (for the most part). so we’re cornered
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RE: People are Stupid (Food Pyramid)

Apr 25th, 05 / 0 Comments

People are Stupid – or – USDA Unveils ‘MyPyramid’

[16:37] Summer: i was reading your other posts… that food pyramid one is right on. the new one is not clear at all. i mean i can figure it out but this looks like calculus to most of middle america.

[16:38] Keaven: thank you!

[16:39] Summer: they totally dumb down everything else in the world to accomodate the lowest common denominator (gee cletus, looks like we’re in code orange today … lets go get some chicken wire and duct tape)… why would they make the nutritional chart so vague and easily mis-interpertable….?

[16:39] Keaven: hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[16:39] Summer: oh wait, i know… cause the insurance companies have the govm’t in their pockets. more obese people = higher insurance rates!

[16:43] Keaven: exactly

Welfare: Church vs. State

Apr 25th, 05 / 0 Comments

[15:38] Summer: i’ve invented something the pope should do as his first official act…

[15:38] Keaven: oh

[15:38] Summer: he should offer tithing through e-payments so catholics can just log on and be absolved of sins. sort of a papel paypal.

[15:39] Summer: i think he’d get a lot more people turn back to christ if he made it internet friendly.

[15:39] Keaven: hahahahahahahahahaha

[15:39] Keaven: funny

[15:39] Keaven: though, catholics don’t tithe.. they just give offerings. well, SOME my tithe, but its not a church wide thing anymore

[15:39] Summer: mike’s parents tithe.

[15:39] Keaven: at least, that’s what i’ve heard from my grandmother and others

[15:39] Keaven: good for them :D

[15:40] Summer: hum. well maybe they just take 10% of their salary and donate it in a regular church offering – not as an official tithe.

[15:40] Summer: but it’s in their budget 10% of income to church so i assumed it was the official one

[15:41] Keaven: if everyone tithed like that, and gave freewill offerings on top of it, there would be no need for a government run wellfare system

[15:42] Summer: well that’s assuming the church gave that money back to the communities. i think they probably keep it for themselves.

[15:42] Summer: so we pay taxes (tithe) and donate money to charities and that pays for government run welfare

[15:43] Keaven: i don’t think the government should have to deal with a wellfare system

[15:43] Keaven: but thats just my issue

[15:44] Summer: really? should they abolish welfare altogether or have it be privately run?

[15:44] Keaven: in a perfect system, yes

[15:44] Keaven: in my opinion…

[15:44] Summer: for the privately run one?

[15:46] Summer: yes, in a perfect society,i agree that would be ideal but in our society we’d have issues of some organizations having more, some having less, the minorities wouldn’t necessarily have organizations watching out for them, would it be discrimination for a private charity to help one person and not another… it’d be a mess. our society can’t handle it.

[15:46] Keaven: i think the governemnt should abolish welfare… if there is a real need for a support system, i feel it should be a burdon of the church. I’ve always felt that one of the roles the church played in a community was one of service.. orphans, widows, helping the poor and needy..

[15:46] Keaven: it’s discriminitory as it is.. people almost expect minoritys to be on welfare

[15:46] Keaven: they make it very difficult for them to come off of it

[15:46] Keaven: socity i mean

[15:47] Summer: yes, but that unfortunately means you basically have to be religious in order to receive help and that’s not really fair. it’s like AA being a religious group – you have to trade a support group that helps you get over an addiction for a sermon on god every week.

[15:48] Summer: a lot of the government welfare programs these days combine work study with welfare. you can’t get checks or green stamps unless you are in a trade school or job program

[15:48] Summer: so they are working on helping people help themselves more than just providing handouts.

[15:48] Keaven: again… i have an ideolistic view in my head.. jesus never gave a sermon to the people he healed, i would expect that the charities would simply help people without faith requierments.

[15:48] Summer: still not perfect, but from what i know of the system, they are doing more to level the palaying field.

[15:50] Summer: i would expect the church to help people with no faith requirements either but historically they have not. look at the years of missionaries and crusades. the church wants something back for helping people in need. if not actual money, they at least want souls to spread the word. which is kind of like a bargain with satan when you think about it.

[15:54] Keaven: i have just always felt that it was the role of the church to make sure that the community of which it was a part, took care of those who couldn’t.. no strings.. that would fee the local and federal government of the burdon of a welfare system.. since they can’t get it right anyway

[15:54] Summer: i completely agree with you but i have to caveat that with “in a perfect society” which we are far from.

[15:58] Keaven: also.. people -have- to pay their taxes or go to jail (eventually). no one is -forced- to give money to the church (thought various guilt/fear/manipulation tactics may be used, there is no -legal- ramifications for not giving money to the church). so there is no guarantee that the community would fund a, technicly, volanteer welfare system

[15:59] Summer: that’s a very good point. and unfortunately a very very small % of what we give to taxes is actually going to communities. most of it is going to the president and defense.

[16:00] Keaven: that’s why i think that there should be no federal taxation at all. only the state should tax, and a portion of the tax revinue the state collects would go to the federal government

[16:01] Keaven: and every state’s contribution would be equal (percentage wise) so no one had more “say” than anyone else

[16:01] Summer: i just wish we could designate where our money went. if you don’t have kids, you don’t have to pay for schools. if you don’t support arms, you don’t have to pay for the defense stuff. if you want to support charity and welfare, you can opt for your taxes to go to that.

[16:02] Keaven: heh.. like giving money to the united way.. you can designate what types of charities get your money

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