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	<title>Comments on: American Accents</title>
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		<title>By: keaven</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2326</link>
		<dc:creator>keaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.. i wonder if dad put in what he thought was correct, rather than what he actually speaks ;) heh

anyway, thanks for the mini-history lesson mom :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.. i wonder if dad put in what he thought was correct, rather than what he actually speaks <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> heh</p>
<p>anyway, thanks for the mini-history lesson mom <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are Dad's results *even with his Portuguese accent :roll:  :roll:   go figure ...

My Results:

[url=http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&#38;quiz_id=9827][img]http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/full_428371978.jpg[/img][/url]
 
Midland
 
("Midland" is not necessarily the same thing as "Midwest") The default, lowest-common-denominator American accent that newscasters try to imitate.  Since it's a neutral accent, just because you have a Midland accent doesn't mean you're from the Midland.

ps  - put the wrong link for mine  -  sorry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are Dad&#8217;s results *even with his Portuguese accent <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />  <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' />   go figure &#8230;</p>
<p>My Results:</p>
<p>[url=http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&amp;quiz_id=9827][img]http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/full_428371978.jpg[/img][/url]</p>
<p>Midland</p>
<p>(&#8221;Midland&#8221; is not necessarily the same thing as &#8220;Midwest&#8221;) The default, lowest-common-denominator American accent that newscasters try to imitate.  Since it&#8217;s a neutral accent, just because you have a Midland accent doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re from the Midland.</p>
<p>ps  - put the wrong link for mine  -  sorry</p>
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		<title>By: Mom</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2214</link>
		<dc:creator>Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?action=take&#38;quiz_id=9827

Northern

You have a Northern accent. That could either be the Chicago/Detroit/Cleveland/Buffalo accent (easily recognizable) or the Western New England accent that news networks go for.

The schematic (would not paste/copy) covers eastern North Dakota and Minnesota to the eastern New York Mountains - all the areas that I grew up in (except TEXAS) - so go figure. Keafer's grandparents grew up in the mid North and since his grandfather was an English teacher - I s'pose the influence was strong no matter where we lived - and through at least three generations!</description>
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<p>Northern</p>
<p>You have a Northern accent. That could either be the Chicago/Detroit/Cleveland/Buffalo accent (easily recognizable) or the Western New England accent that news networks go for.</p>
<p>The schematic (would not paste/copy) covers eastern North Dakota and Minnesota to the eastern New York Mountains - all the areas that I grew up in (except TEXAS) - so go figure. Keafer&#8217;s grandparents grew up in the mid North and since his grandfather was an English teacher - I s&#8217;pose the influence was strong no matter where we lived - and through at least three generations!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Northern -  the Western New England accent that news networks go for."   I sound just like Katie Couric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Northern -  the Western New England accent that news networks go for.&#8221;   I sound just like Katie Couric.</p>
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		<title>By: keaven</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2120</link>
		<dc:creator>keaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just knew that brandon wouldn't be able to resist commenting on the "neutral" classification :P  I, however, will keep my oppressive-white-male comments to myself  :twisted:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just knew that brandon wouldn&#8217;t be able to resist commenting on the &#8220;neutral&#8221; classification <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I, however, will keep my oppressive-white-male comments to myself  <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif' alt=':twisted:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2119</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ooo I have a new favorite word: 'diphthongization'!  Thanks for the insight; linguistics has always fascinated me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooo I have a new favorite word: &#8216;diphthongization&#8217;!  Thanks for the insight; linguistics has always fascinated me.</p>
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		<title>By: biquet</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>biquet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "bag"/"vague" thing is an example of the Northern Cities Vowel Shift*.  The dialect spoken in upper Midwestern cities is changing &lt;b&gt;right before our very ears&lt;/b&gt;.  The /a/ sound in "father" is moving forward in the mouth, getting closer to the short 'a' sound in "cat".  This in turn is pushing the short 'a' vowel forward and up into the space occupied by the short 'e' in "bet."

Find a white person from Milwaukee and ask them to say "backpack."  The vowel you hear in both syllables is different from the one we use.  The Milwaukee speaker will produce something closer to "beckpeck."  There may be some diphthongization, but it won't be as extreme as "bake-pake".

So how does it end up rhyming with "vague"?  I think the example only works if speakers of the upper Midwestern dialect pronounce it more like "vegg," which is possible but unattested (seeing as how I don't have a native speaker nearby).


*Or, as I wrote first, the "Northern Cities Vowel Shit."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;bag&#8221;/&#8221;vague&#8221; thing is an example of the Northern Cities Vowel Shift*.  The dialect spoken in upper Midwestern cities is changing <b>right before our very ears</b>.  The /a/ sound in &#8220;father&#8221; is moving forward in the mouth, getting closer to the short &#8216;a&#8217; sound in &#8220;cat&#8221;.  This in turn is pushing the short &#8216;a&#8217; vowel forward and up into the space occupied by the short &#8216;e&#8217; in &#8220;bet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Find a white person from Milwaukee and ask them to say &#8220;backpack.&#8221;  The vowel you hear in both syllables is different from the one we use.  The Milwaukee speaker will produce something closer to &#8220;beckpeck.&#8221;  There may be some diphthongization, but it won&#8217;t be as extreme as &#8220;bake-pake&#8221;.</p>
<p>So how does it end up rhyming with &#8220;vague&#8221;?  I think the example only works if speakers of the upper Midwestern dialect pronounce it more like &#8220;vegg,&#8221; which is possible but unattested (seeing as how I don&#8217;t have a native speaker nearby).</p>
<p>*Or, as I wrote first, the &#8220;Northern Cities Vowel Shit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so it turns out that according to the explanation site http://freeshells.ch/~xavier/survey.html the bag/vague rhyming occurs in "North Central" aka Upper Midwest Fargo-like area and perhaps Canada.  Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so it turns out that according to the explanation site <a href="http://freeshells.ch/~xavier/survey.html" rel="nofollow">http://freeshells.ch/~xavier/survey.html</a> the bag/vague rhyming occurs in &#8220;North Central&#8221; aka Upper Midwest Fargo-like area and perhaps Canada.  Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2110</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:twisted: &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.youthink.com/quiz.asp?" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://www.keaven.com/2007/american-accents/comment-page-1/#comment-2109</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 13:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I thought was odd was the "BAG"/"VAGUE" question.  In what accent do these two words rhyme?  Brandon? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I thought was odd was the &#8220;BAG&#8221;/&#8221;VAGUE&#8221; question.  In what accent do these two words rhyme?  Brandon? <img src='http://www.keaven.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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